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phylaine a écrit:... j'imaginais devoir me renseigner
A la fnac et chez un revendeur informatique j'ai pu testé vista 2fois 2 minutes. Et bien le système prenait belle et bien 15 giga octés d'espace disque dure; les machine était équipé de 1 giga de méoire vive parce que d'après les vendeurs c'est le minimum pour que ça fonctionne correctement. Toujours d'après les vendeur il faut au minimum un atlon 2600+ (1,6 giga/hertz) pour que ça marche (ce qui était le cas pour les machine) .
effectivement, si je me contente d'afficher uniquement le bureau (interface classique) sans aucun programme qui tourne en tache de fond ou lancé j'ai déjà 508 Mo de pris. D'où la nécessité effectivement de posséder au minimum 1 Go. On est très loin de certaines bureaux des distributions Linux !simplenux a écrit:...les machines étaient équipées de 1 giga de mémoire vive ...
aegis54 a écrit:A ma décharge il s'agit d'un nouveau PC. (version OEM préinstallée de Vista home premium)
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Poisson_Pilote a écrit:Avoir fait mumuse 30 secondes avec le touchpad d'un portable sous vista à la fnac, ça compte ?
Some folks have hated Microsoft forever. Not me. I've been using their stuff since DOS 1.0 in 1983. Apparent to me is that Microsoft has lost their way, and Vista is the evidence. Even if I was only concerned for my own welfare, Vista bothers me a lot. When I consider all the people that rely on that interface, and all the families of the people working there or adjunctively that will be affected by this blunder, Vista elevates my concern to queasiness.
On top of Microsoft's historical heavy-handed marketing and development practices, here we have a startling expansion of ethical compromises and failures. The first one is lying. Microsoft advertising claims a user will be more productive. Show me that. Show me people being more productive. My productive was cut to 30% pre-Vista. I can't imagine anybody, including the newest user, having an easier time with Vista. It just isn't in the O.S. Nothing is easy to find, use, or navigate. The O.S. gets in the way at every turn. If there's one place it doesn't, somebody pipe up, because I never found it. Since that promise was made in advertising with the goal of selling more product, it is an actionable item. The civil suit will come. It may not be illegal that using that interface and being productive are mutually exclusive, it is unethical when you consider the enormity in the reduction of efficiency world-wide.
Then there's the gross expansion of the minimum hardware claim: 512MB of memory & a CPU running at 1Ghz. I was running with 2GB of memory and my memory usage constantly pegged. The O.S. made sure I was aware by dropping subtle hints, little things like taking 30 minutes to bring up task-manager when I hit CTL-ALT-DEL and another 30 to try and shut down a process, and having the memory usage meter widget constantly pegged at 100%, and by the hard-drive LED never going dim, and by filling the logs with messages telling me so, and by running really, really slowly. And I hadn’t really started to use all my applications yet. I don’t know how cranky Vista would have been then, but I postulate it would have been “very.” I don’t know how much memory you need, but I know my 2GB at four-times the minimum and double the recommended amount isn’t even close. I’m guessing 8GB to start running things correctly, so the system is responsive enough to listen to an MP3 while editing a document and still keeping the virus scanner on.
Then there’s the lie about Vista’s great security. All those same useless paradigms from years past are still in there. As previously mentioned what additions were made are inane. I found renewed use of a word I hadn’t uttered in years: retarded. It is a degrading term. Perfect to describe such degraded security.
When I used Vista, I had yet to even encounter the Draconian DRM measures lurking inside. It’s not even really my PC anymore with DRM. It’s more like I’m borrowing my computer experiences, not having them. Somebody else owns my experiences and they want to get paid. I suppose I wouldn’t mind that much if this were a single slip-up and folks like the RIAA haven’t had a history of subterfuge, public lying, and a fair approach to business. Or if Microsoft similarly didn’t have a history of … gee, the same three things. I remember in 1978 when CDs first came out. We were used to paying $6 for a new LP packed with music and production quality (for the technology). Most records were $4 or $5. Along comes CD’s and they cost $7. Somebody investigates how they are produced and it is much cheaper to produce a CD than a record, and so the music industry is quick to assuage everyone’s indignation at being charged more for something that costs less to make saying not to worry, that prices WILL come down as soon as some of the costs for R&D and initial tooling for CD production are recouped. The price never did seem to drop. Somebody lied and a very few got suer rich. I don’t so much mind the rich part. This is a (relatively) free society (forgetting about DRM for a moment) and so people are free to get rich or not. I do mind the lying part, though. Ethics should never be compromised. When you consider the grotesque differential in the incomes & work practices of “artists” versus their audience, I can see how many sensible people would be offended. “Artists” and others in that group are the new royalty. They limit production, distribution, and quality of the product to ensure they stay rich and we keep paying them. DRM is another tool to keep their shop closed. It is fair to pay someone for their work. What isn’t “fair” is how much money they’re paid. Heck, many would forgo the pay entirely just to get at the catering, illicit substances and visits by the “working girls.” DRM helps those that control it to have power and money, and hinders all others. They want freedom for themselves to get paid lots of money, but no freedom for the audience.
I had publicly stated that I believe the true beneficiary of Vista would be Apple. Apple will benefit. When I started to use my Mac more heavily, and particularly after trying MEPIS, I now believe that the Linux community will receive far more converts than Apple. The only thing I can discern Microsoft has going for them is inertia. I don’t think that’s enough. The Titanic had inertia too and history suggests it wasn't enough to reach port.
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